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Re: Calc Request Thread

Postby Kitten Lord » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:13 pm

Heya chaps, much obliged if you get the time to help me out with this one;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y68aOCukPYk

I want to know how much force is required to launch that alien (about 20 feet tall?) across the city like that.

Thank you for any help. Also how much pressure if possible? Using the cars face as the surface area that may have connected with said alien?
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Re: Calc Request Thread

Postby CH1C4N0444 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:00 pm

K, so AoU spoilers for the feat.

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Re: Calc Request Thread

Postby Commander Cross » Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:29 am

How fast and strong is Frieza Saga!-Goku up until the point he became a Super Saiyan Level 01 at its final stages again?

I need to know the right calcs if you don't mind with the overall showings.
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Re: Calc Request Thread

Postby Aelfinn » Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:03 pm

Now I know it's been a while since anyone's popped by in here, and I can't guarantee helping regularly, but I'll try and stop by every once in a while to help out with calcs.
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Re: Calc Request Thread

Postby CH1C4N0444 » Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:02 pm

Aelfinn wrote:Now I know it's been a while since anyone's popped by in here, and I can't guarantee helping regularly, but I'll try and stop by every once in a while to help out with calcs.
Since War's been popping up a bit more on the site, I have a few questions of some of his feats with the Tremor Gauntlet both in and out of the game.

At 11:00 War slams a railway cart into a giant creature and slams it so hard it into it that it lifts off the ground. So, basically, how strong would he have to be to do that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkGNYfY ... e=youtu.be

With the Tremor Gauntlet he shatters those crystal/diamond esque structures without touching them. Happens at 1:27 and 3:45. There's more happenings but he does it consistently. How hard are his punches with that to be able to shatter those objects?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL1X4BQ0so0

At 3:26 War sends a subway cart flying using the Tremor Gauntlet quite a distance. It also doesn't look like it was slowing down and was stopped because of the wall of debris in front of it, presumably it would've kept going for quite a distance. How hard is he hitting the subway cart to send it flying like that? Keep in mind that the cart sparks quite a bit when it's being moved around, so I don't think the wheels are there and that it's just metal on metal scraping against each other. At 4:07 he shatters more of those diamond/crystal structures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZHW6iK ... ure=fvwrel

Thanks for deciding to check this thread more often!
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Re: Calc Request Thread

Postby Aelfinn » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:24 am

By the way, if anyone wants to contact me for calcs, the easiest and fastest way is to PM me.
CH1C4N0444 wrote:Since War's been popping up a bit more on the site, I have a few questions of some of his feats with the Tremor Gauntlet both in and out of the game.

At 11:00 War slams a railway cart into a giant creature and slams it so hard it into it that it lifts off the ground. So, basically, how strong would he have to be to do that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkGNYfY ... e=youtu.be

With the Tremor Gauntlet he shatters those crystal/diamond esque structures without touching them. Happens at 1:27 and 3:45. There's more happenings but he does it consistently. How hard are his punches with that to be able to shatter those objects?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL1X4BQ0so0

At 3:26 War sends a subway cart flying using the Tremor Gauntlet quite a distance. It also doesn't look like it was slowing down and was stopped because of the wall of debris in front of it, presumably it would've kept going for quite a distance. How hard is he hitting the subway cart to send it flying like that? Keep in mind that the cart sparks quite a bit when it's being moved around, so I don't think the wheels are there and that it's just metal on metal scraping against each other. At 4:07 he shatters more of those diamond/crystal structures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZHW6iK ... ure=fvwrel

Thanks for deciding to check this thread more often!


Hmmm, some of these are a little difficult. While "how hard to shatter crystal/stone?" is a very commonly-requested calc, it's up there as one of the more difficult ones.
Anyway, a "Flat Wagon" like the one in a couple of these videos are, medium range, 16 tonnes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_wago ... lat_wagons
So that gives War a nice bottom-level for how much Force he can put out.

Anyway, we see that War is approximately 50 pixels tall. I'll assume he's 6 feet tall, but as he's a video game protagonist, I wouldn't be surprised if he was seven feet tall. The center of mass moved up approximately 200 pixels, making the height that the center of mass went up to be 24 feet high, or 7.3152 meters. Multiplying this by 16000 kilograms and 9.8 m/s/s tells us that he had to somehow put out 1147023 joules at least. That's the rough and dirty calc, as it's simply calc-ing how much energy it would take to get the flatcar that high. I'm sure other calcs are possible that tell the whole story.

Let's look at the destruction of those crystals now. I think I finally am able to calculate what it takes to shatter something, whether it be concrete, stone, or anything like that. If this is correct, then someone should save this. Anyway, it involves toughness and resilience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resilienc ... ls_science)
If I'm reading this correctly, then the yield strength squared over two times the Young's Modulus will tell us how much energy the material can take before it deforms. Now, it isn't perfect (as we'd want the energy to make it shatter), but it does low-ball things of this nature. This gives us lee-way to high-ball other aspects of the calc. I may need to go back and re-calc a scene for Wonder Woman because of this.

So what is that material made out of? I can't tell. It appears it may be made of apatite:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apatite
Now, the study I will cite says they did something to the Apatite to make it stronger. However, it likely isn't very much stronger, at least they didn't indicate so in their abstract, and it's one of the only places where I can find any data on that.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17546429
Yield Strength = 54 Megapascals
Young's Modulus = 7 Gigapascals
This means Resilience = 208285 Joules/Cubic Meter

So I took a screenshot of the Tremor Gauntlet at 1:09. War is 154 pixels tall. One of the cone's is 250 pixels tall and 123 pixels wide. Using 6 feet for War comes to 0.012 meters per pixel. That means the radius of the crystal is approxmately 0.73 meters. The height is then 3 meters tall. This means the cone has a volume of 1.67 cubic meters. Multiply by 5 comes to 8.35 times 208285 comes to:
1739185.7 Joules.

But wait. The energy of seismic waves from an impact with the ground is rather inefficient. Apparently my source from a while back claiming it was simply a multiplication of 0.3 may have been wrong. I may have to go to an elder scrolls thread. Bah. Anyway, here's the source:
https://goo.gl/MvQAuK
The efficiency of impact energy to seismic energy is approximately 10^-4. Therefore, this would imply that War put out a grand total of: 17391857000 Joules

OR 17.4 gigajoules.
OR about 4 tons of TNT

(Damn, this calc was hard as fuck)
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Re: Calc Request Thread

Postby CH1C4N0444 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:04 am

Aelfinn wrote:By the way, if anyone wants to contact me for calcs, the easiest and fastest way is to PM me.
CH1C4N0444 wrote:Since War's been popping up a bit more on the site, I have a few questions of some of his feats with the Tremor Gauntlet both in and out of the game.

At 11:00 War slams a railway cart into a giant creature and slams it so hard it into it that it lifts off the ground. So, basically, how strong would he have to be to do that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkGNYfY ... e=youtu.be

With the Tremor Gauntlet he shatters those crystal/diamond esque structures without touching them. Happens at 1:27 and 3:45. There's more happenings but he does it consistently. How hard are his punches with that to be able to shatter those objects?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL1X4BQ0so0

At 3:26 War sends a subway cart flying using the Tremor Gauntlet quite a distance. It also doesn't look like it was slowing down and was stopped because of the wall of debris in front of it, presumably it would've kept going for quite a distance. How hard is he hitting the subway cart to send it flying like that? Keep in mind that the cart sparks quite a bit when it's being moved around, so I don't think the wheels are there and that it's just metal on metal scraping against each other. At 4:07 he shatters more of those diamond/crystal structures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZHW6iK ... ure=fvwrel

Thanks for deciding to check this thread more often!


Hmmm, some of these are a little difficult. While "how hard to shatter crystal/stone?" is a very commonly-requested calc, it's up there as one of the more difficult ones.
Anyway, a "Flat Wagon" like the one in a couple of these videos are, medium range, 16 tonnes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_wago ... lat_wagons
So that gives War a nice bottom-level for how much Force he can put out.

Anyway, we see that War is approximately 50 pixels tall. I'll assume he's 6 feet tall, but as he's a video game protagonist, I wouldn't be surprised if he was seven feet tall. The center of mass moved up approximately 200 pixels, making the height that the center of mass went up to be 24 feet high, or 7.3152 meters. Multiplying this by 16000 kilograms and 9.8 m/s/s tells us that he had to somehow put out 1147023 joules at least. That's the rough and dirty calc, as it's simply calc-ing how much energy it would take to get the flatcar that high. I'm sure other calcs are possible that tell the whole story.

Let's look at the destruction of those crystals now. I think I finally am able to calculate what it takes to shatter something, whether it be concrete, stone, or anything like that. If this is correct, then someone should save this. Anyway, it involves toughness and resilience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resilienc ... ls_science)
If I'm reading this correctly, then the yield strength squared over two times the Young's Modulus will tell us how much energy the material can take before it deforms. Now, it isn't perfect (as we'd want the energy to make it shatter), but it does low-ball things of this nature. This gives us lee-way to high-ball other aspects of the calc. I may need to go back and re-calc a scene for Wonder Woman because of this.

So what is that material made out of? I can't tell. It appears it may be made of apatite:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apatite
Now, the study I will cite says they did something to the Apatite to make it stronger. However, it likely isn't very much stronger, at least they didn't indicate so in their abstract, and it's one of the only places where I can find any data on that.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17546429
Yield Strength = 54 Megapascals
Young's Modulus = 7 Gigapascals
This means Resilience = 208285 Joules/Cubic Meter

So I took a screenshot of the Tremor Gauntlet at 1:09. War is 154 pixels tall. One of the cone's is 250 pixels tall and 123 pixels wide. Using 6 feet for War comes to 0.012 meters per pixel. That means the radius of the crystal is approxmately 0.73 meters. The height is then 3 meters tall. This means the cone has a volume of 1.67 cubic meters. Multiply by 5 comes to 8.35 times 208285 comes to:
1739185.7 Joules.

But wait. The energy of seismic waves from an impact with the ground is rather inefficient. Apparently my source from a while back claiming it was simply a multiplication of 0.3 may have been wrong. I may have to go to an elder scrolls thread. Bah. Anyway, here's the source:
https://goo.gl/MvQAuK
The efficiency of impact energy to seismic energy is approximately 10^-4. Therefore, this would imply that War put out a grand total of: 17391857000 Joules

OR 17.4 gigajoules.
OR about 4 tons of TNT

(Damn, this calc was hard as fuck)
I wasn't specifically looking for you, I just figured since you were gonna be checking it again you'd be the one to see it first. Also thank you for doing them! So, what was the durability Kain ended up getting? Because if I'm understanding this correctly War is shattering objects as durable as what Scrub was getting for Kain.

EDIT Forgot to add this:

http://i.imgur.com/UpSRp.jpg

It's War next to a human cop for better height comparisons. If you'd like some more I'll look for more.
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Re: Calc Request Thread

Postby Aelfinn » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:32 am

The durability of Kain? That's a highly-contested issue. In my opinion that's enough to hurt/kill Kain, but there's the crux of debate.
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Re: Calc Request Thread

Postby Kitten Lord » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:05 am

Aelfinn wrote:The durability of Kain? That's a highly-contested issue. In my opinion that's enough to hurt/kill Kain, but there's the crux of debate.



Kain is immortal so killing him is not an option.

Also thank you for doing them! So, what was the durability Kain ended up getting? Because if I'm understanding this correctly War is shattering objects as durable as what Scrub was getting for Kain


The crystals in Darksiders look very little like real crystals, some sort of fictional element of unknown properties.

147.8 Terapascals is the resistance of Kains skin, so I cannot see this as doing anything to Kain any time soon. Especially when you consider Kains regen factor and the fact your going to have to do more than damage his skin to actually cause damage to this bones, his organs etc


The sum total of kains resistance for his body is likely some ungodly massive number, to "mass scatter" kain for example would require breaking not only his skin, but the entirety of it at once, bonds to all muscles, bone etc. Assuming he does not just avoid it. War has no chance of damaging Kain like most.

Also people confuse Kain for a purely physical being, destroying kains body does not destroy Kain himself. His thoughts, emotions and what he is come from his soul. Everything that is deadly beyond the physical, and that is a lot of things like his mind and powers are beyond the reach of anyone who cannot destroy spiritual beings, and spiritual beings with resistance to their spirits being devoured and destroyed at that.


Hence why my latest battle request should give Kain a chance of actually being injured ;)
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Re: Calc Request Thread

Postby Mea quidem sententia » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:38 am

The hardness of Kain has been highly contested, but given the inverse relationship of hardness and toughness, Kain's skin is only resistant to abrasions and indentation, but not fracturing or shattering. Once again, this is why armor made of jadeite is better than armor made of diamond. The former is tougher, the latter is harder. The former won't break on impact, whereas the latter will. You're still opposed to the idea that Kain's skin could be as hard as iron, but I'd say that'd be preferable, since it'd be tougher. In other words, having the durability of iron in terms of hardness, toughness, and elasticity is vastly superior to having the hardness of, well, whatever is comparable to Kain's dubious hardness.
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