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Postby Alpha or Omega » Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:48 pm

Is it significant for a person to know all the martial arts, or is it better for the person to know only the best martial arts?
Do we say the person with all martial arts is better than the person with the best martial arts, or do we say that the person with the best martial arts is equal to the person with all the martial arts?

Also, how do we gauge a fictional martial arts compared to a real life martial art?
Would it be logical, or possible, to determine if the fictional martial art is better or not?
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Re: Martial Arts

Postby Friendlysociopath » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:48 pm

Alpha or Omega wrote:Is it significant for a person to know all the martial arts, or is it better for the person to know only the best martial arts?


Well wouldn't all martial arts include the best martial arts? Especially when "best" martial art is highly subjective.
Best defensive martial art?
Best offensive martial art?
A martial art is just a way of fighting, is Drunken Boxing any "better" than Krav Maga?
It's like a conversation I had with my fencing professor about a Samurai vs a Fencer- it's up to the user.
Fencers specialize in parrying an attack and then striking.
Samurai focus on fluid movements while producing powerful strikes.
Which is "better"?
However, someone who knows all martial arts would be familiar with the style they use as well as the style the enemy uses, while the person who just knows the best martial art would be unfamiliar with any opposing style the enemy uses.

Alpha or Omega wrote:Also, how do we gauge a fictional martial arts compared to a real life martial art?
Would it be logical, or possible, to determine if the fictional martial art is better or not?


I somehow doubt a fictional martial art can be that alien that it would simply be better or worse than an existing style. But it's possible- prime example, Star Wars and lightsaber combat.
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At any point both had the opportunity to simply lash out mid-spin while their opponent's saber was behind his back- it completely exposes you for no reason at all.
And they don't turn their bodies at all to minimize the area the enemy has access to strike at, they just stand toe-to-toe.
It's a good thing that Jedi supposedly have precog, because their fighting style sucks.

So yes, you can compare fictional styles to modern ones, but unless it has glaring holes in it (For example ,standing with your hands clasped behind your head in the middle of a fight, or purely based on slapping your opponent instead of punching) then for the most part it wouldn't be any different than a normal fighting style.
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Re: Martial Arts

Postby Alpha or Omega » Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:12 am

Eh, fair enough.
Still, I felt that it was needed to be addressed since no one ever pointed out something like this.

This might be a little off-topic, but is this also the same for weapons that aren't guns or bow&arrows?
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Re: Martial Arts

Postby Friendlysociopath » Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:30 pm

Alpha or Omega wrote:This might be a little off-topic, but is this also the same for weapons that aren't guns or bow&arrows?


Eh? What do you mean? There's certainly styles that aren't effective but a lot of the times the primary disadvantages for "reality" like requiring too much strength or speed to use effectively are overcome by the fictional characters being strong and fast enough to make up the difference.

See my signature for example, holding 3 swords in between your fingers or a jūmonji-yari in either hand can't be effectively done by "us" because we don't have the required strength to do so and effectively fight. (Seriously I've tried holding real swords like Date does- I'm damn tempted to give him a pain tolerance feat for pulling that off for days on end)
There's advantages and disadvantages obviously- if someone uses a spear and you can get close they're pretty boned- but if they can keep you at range and you just have a sword you can't get close.
But this sort of thing would only apply in very close matches; typically a combatant being even a small percentage faster or slower matters much more than weapon-choice.
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Re: Martial Arts

Postby Mea quidem sententia » Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:57 pm

The only advantage one would have with knowing all martial arts is one's ability to vary with techniques unknown to one's opponent. It also depends on who has performed better with the best martial arts.

As for weapons, it wouldn't be necessary know how to use most or all weapons. It'd only be necessary to know which weapon is the best. Directed-energy weapons, for example, are better at precision and accuracy, and they tend to be faster, but in our world, bullets, slugs, warheads, bombs would be better to use because they are more efficient in terms of portability and energy. They also won't generate a lot of heat waste. Laser weapons are naturally class 4. They'll cause damage to skin and eyes. Even looking at the laser indirectly, such as from reflection, diffusion, or absorption, can cause eye damage or blindness. I can say with certainty that all SF ignores this fact, hence the lack of protective eyewear.
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Re: Martial Arts

Postby ka-tet19 » Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:41 am

Friendly neighborhood martial artist here. If you know all martial arts including the best ones you will always have the advantage because you have tools to incorporate that the other won't. For example if we take the list of say boxing wrestling bjj and Thai boxing. You fight someone who knows those and what is essentially a less effective art such as tae kwon do the other will not be prepared for the wheel kicks and spinning back kicks you throw while in theory you will be able to defend against all his tools. The real question is knowing when and how to implement the tools from all the arts you know not just what arts to learn. But if you learn how to implement any tool from any art in an effective way you now have an advantage in that respect to someone who does not.
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Re: Martial Arts

Postby Epicazeroth » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:58 am

It also of course depends on how good you are at any given martial art. I'd much rather fight somebody who spent 3 months each learning 10 different styles of fighting than somebody who spent 15 years learning how to use one style.
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Re: Martial Arts

Postby Alpha or Omega » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:46 pm

How do we determine the practicality a move that would be impractical in real life, but does something that wouldn't be done in that fashion.
Like, Link's spin attack. Spinning around a sword like Link would be impractical, but it's able to cut beyond the length that the sword provides.
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Re: Martial Arts

Postby Friendlysociopath » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:25 pm

Alpha or Omega wrote:How do we determine the practicality a move that would be impractical in real life, but does something that wouldn't be done in that fashion.
Like, Link's spin attack. Spinning around a sword like Link would be impractical, but it's able to cut beyond the length that the sword provides.


For that specific move:
It does what it's supposed to do well enough- make a 360 degree slash that will cut anything that steps into it.
However- while practical in that sense- in others it's horrible in that it leaves Link fairly open for anyone who just ducks underneath the spin, or jumps over it, or times it to attack when the blade is on the other side of the circle.

It's like a spear- practical for keeping enemies at range- terribly inefficient if they get past the tip. It's not one or the other per say.
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