pimpmage wrote:Person 1 and 2 are both dimension travelers. Person 1 BFR's the other. Does person 1 insta win because he is the initiator of the BFR? Or is it null because both can travel dimension?
It's null. The whole point behind battlefield removal is it's a legitimate obstacle for the displaced being. Not an arbitrary, nonsensical way to quickly win, but specifically
a way to render your opponent unable to fight you.Person 1 can travel through dimensions. Person 2 cannot. Person 1 BFR's person 2. Is this a win for person 1 because he was the initiator? What if person 2 survives indefinitely wherever he was BFRed to? Person 1 is choosing not to directly fight and defeat person 2. That would be the exact same thing as person 1 choosing to escape to another dimension leaving person 2 alone. Neither combatant is defeated, just kept apart.
As above, what matters is the dynamic of power. Fleeing is removing yourself, and is a loss. Remaining and forcing the other to leave is what counts as victory. The one forced to leave has effectively lost the engagement.
There may be additional considerations with regard to how much of an obstacle the battlefield removal is, how long it lasts. If it's permanent then it's an obvious loss for the removed party, and if they are able to quickly return it's merely a delay of no real consequence. But somewhere between those two points is where the delay turns into a loss, and that point is hazy and ill-defined. It may require a moderator ruling. Details such as mortality and ability to reproduce the BFR effect may or may not be sufficient. But this is the general idea, and usually it's all that is needed.