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Postby Scenario » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:14 am

Well, since this section is pretty much dead, I thought I'd perform a little boredom fueled necromancy. I find this has the potential to be a very useful area of the board. So, without anything further, I present this:
(Note: This thread will make heavy use of the Metroid Manga, which is considered canon to the Metroid series. As a Manga, it is read from right to left instead of the traditional left to right of western comics.)
Samus Aran

Origin: Samus was born on the mining colony K-2L around the year 2000 of the Galactic Calendar. She was the only survivor of a Space Pirate raid of the colony.

Samus' mother, Virginia Aran, is killed by Ridley right in front of her.
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/1/25/

Her father, Rodney Aran, sacrificing himself to destroy Ridley's ship.
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/1/27/
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/1/28/
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/1/29/


Samus is rescued by the Chozo known as Old Bird.
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/1/31/

Humans cannot survive in the harsh climates of the planet Zebes, so Samus is given some genetic enhancements.
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/2/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/2/06/


Physical Stats:

At age 3-6, Samus jumps off of a cliff and not only survives unharmed, but makes a crater in the ground when she does so.
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/7/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/7/14/

Jumping up a small cliff.
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/2/11/

At age 14, Samus is fast enough to jump in front of a blast, grab the person being fired at, and then jump away before the blast hits.
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/2/23/
Note that in the above, Samus does not even have the suit on when the blast is fired.

http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/2/24/
In the time between the blast being fired and hitting its target, Samus has equipped the suit, grabbed Gray Voice, and jumped away.

Samus destroys a work robot, an enemy that is known to be invulnerable to most weapons, with a single punch.
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/2/28/

The immunity to weapon damage can be seen at 1:30 and 7:25 features a Power Bomb doing nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV1JCMRMM3w

Samus once again outruns blaster fire, but this time from a longer distance.
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/3/13/
The distance is unknown, but requires binoculars to see clearly.

http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/3/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/3/17/
The shots bouncing off may indicate that the Speed Booster was in use, but it does not do this in the games.

http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/3/18/
One of her allies, Kreatz, did not even notice that she left.


Armor:

The Power Suit: This is the normal suit that Samus wears. It is modular in nature, allowing it to equip numerous power-ups from almost any technological source. It has an energy shield surrounding it that acts as Samus' health. It the energy tanks are depleted, the suit is destroyed. The suit is also equipped with an arm cannon that can make use of almost any weapon.

Samus in the Power Suit taking a stomp from Kraid with no apparent damage. Kraid weighs over 110 tons.
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/15/15/

The Varia Suit: Both an upgrade to the Power Suit and another suit altogether. The Varia suit is much more powerful than the Power Suit and specializes in protection from extreme temperatures. It also grants immunity to acid. The most common form grants 50% damage reduction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbJIAEAPzdA&feature=related
4:50

http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/12/17/
Here Ridley destroys a cliffside, killing a Chozo in a Power Suit.

Later, Ridley uses the same attack against Samus in the Varia Suit.
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/16/20/
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/16/21/
The attack doesn't do anything.

http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/16/23/
Why isn't the plasma working!?


The Gravity Suit: The Gravity Suit is another upgrade to the power suit. It allows free movement in water or magma. The protection against extreme temperatures is icreased to the point of taking no damage from magma. It adds 25% damage reduction, up to 75%.

The above workbot video also contains the Gravity Suit. Around 5:50.

(Nonstandard suits coming soon.)

Weapons: The arm cannon contains several weapons, the standard beams consume no ammo while missiles do.

The Power Beam: The stardard beam. This is the weakest beam, but is much more powerful in the Manga.

Power Beam destroying a section of whatever rock formation this is called.
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/2/08/

Samus stands on top of an unarmed ship and substitutes her arm cannon. She uses the Power Beam.
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/12/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/12/13/
Several Space Pirate ships are destroyed.

The Wave Beam: "This beam, which is made up of energy waves, can pass through solid objects."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUMhgg-0YM4&feature=related

Also included are the Long and Charge beams.

http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/16/22/

Wavebuster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8V1mJ_09F8&feature=related

The Plasma Beam: A peircing beam, it goes through what the wave beam doesn't. Namely, anything classified as an "enemy." That can include robots, creatures, whatever. If it moves, the plasma beam kils it.

(video coming soon.)
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Re: Samus Aran [Discussion]

Postby Matapiojo » Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:30 am

As posted by Himmler in a separate thread...

Himmler wrote:What is what's power suit specs?

What is her suit's stats?

What is her different beams power ouput?

How much damage can her suit take?

What is her suit made of?

What power levels do her suit run on?


Same questions but for federation marines please...
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Re: Samus Aran [Discussion]

Postby theobserver » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:13 pm

It might take a while, but since OneManga has been shut down I think I'll go and update the image links that Scenario posted. Anyone else feel free to help out okay?
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Re: Samus Aran [Discussion]

Postby theobserver » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:46 pm

Scenario wrote:Well, since this section is pretty much dead, I thought I'd perform a little boredom fueled necromancy. I find this has the potential to be a very useful area of the board. So, without anything further, I present this:
(Note: This thread will make heavy use of the Metroid Manga, which is considered canon to the Metroid series. As a Manga, it is read from right to left instead of the traditional left to right of western comics.)
Samus Aran

Origin: Samus was born on the mining colony K-2L around the year 2000 of the Galactic Calendar. She was the only survivor of a Space Pirate raid of the colony.

Samus' mother, Virginia Aran, is killed by Ridley right in front of her.
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv1ch1&image_id=26

Her father, Rodney Aran, sacrificing himself to destroy Ridley's ship.
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv1ch1&image_id=27
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv1ch1&image_id=28
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv1ch1&image_id=29


Samus is rescued by the Chozo known as Old Bird.
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv1ch1&image_id=31

Humans cannot survive in the harsh climates of the planet Zebes, so Samus is given some genetic enhancements.
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv1ch2&image_id=5
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv1ch2&image_id=6


Physical Stats:

At age 3-6, Samus jumps off of a cliff and not only survives unharmed, but makes a crater in the ground when she does so.
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv1ch7&image_id=13
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv1ch7&image_id=14

Jumping up a small cliff.
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv1ch2&image_id=11

At age 14, Samus is fast enough to jump in front of a blast, grab the person being fired at, and then jump away before the blast hits.
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv1ch2&image_id=23
Note that in the above, Samus does not even have the suit on when the blast is fired.

http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv1ch2&image_id=24
In the time between the blast being fired and hitting its target, Samus has equipped the suit, grabbed Gray Voice, and jumped away.

Samus destroys a work robot, an enemy that is known to be invulnerable to most weapons, with a single punch.
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv1ch2&image_id=28

The immunity to weapon damage can be seen at 1:30 and 7:25 features a Power Bomb doing nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV1JCMRMM3w

Samus once again outruns blaster fire, but this time from a longer distance.
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv1ch3&image_id=13
The distance is unknown, but requires binoculars to see clearly.

http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv1ch3&image_id=16
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv1ch3&image_id=17
The shots bouncing off may indicate that the Speed Booster was in use, but it does not do this in the games.

http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv1ch3&image_id=18
One of her allies, Kreatz, did not even notice that she left.


Armor:

The Power Suit: This is the normal suit that Samus wears. It is modular in nature, allowing it to equip numerous power-ups from almost any technological source. It has an energy shield surrounding it that acts as Samus' health. It the energy tanks are depleted, the suit is destroyed. The suit is also equipped with an arm cannon that can make use of almost any weapon.

Samus in the Power Suit taking a stomp from Kraid with no apparent damage. Kraid weighs over 110 tons.
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv2ch15&image_id=15

The Varia Suit: Both an upgrade to the Power Suit and another suit altogether. The Varia suit is much more powerful than the Power Suit and specializes in protection from extreme temperatures. It also grants immunity to acid. The most common form grants 50% damage reduction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbJIAEAPzdA&feature=related
4:50

http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv2ch12&image_id=17
Here Ridley destroys a cliffside, killing a Chozo in a Power Suit.

Later, Ridley uses the same attack against Samus in the Varia Suit.
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv2ch16&image_id=20
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv2ch16&image_id=21
The attack doesn't do anything.

http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv2ch16&image_id=23
Why isn't the plasma working!?


The Gravity Suit: The Gravity Suit is another upgrade to the power suit. It allows free movement in water or magma. The protection against extreme temperatures is icreased to the point of taking no damage from magma. It adds 25% damage reduction, up to 75%.

The above workbot video also contains the Gravity Suit. Around 5:50.

(Nonstandard suits coming soon.)

Weapons: The arm cannon contains several weapons, the standard beams consume no ammo while missiles do.

The Power Beam: The stardard beam. This is the weakest beam, but is much more powerful in the Manga.

Power Beam destroying a section of whatever rock formation this is called.
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv1ch2&image_id=8

Samus stands on top of an unarmed ship and substitutes her arm cannon. She uses the Power Beam.
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv2ch12&image_id=12
http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv2ch12&image_id=13
Several Space Pirate ships are destroyed.

The Wave Beam: "This beam, which is made up of energy waves, can pass through solid objects."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUMhgg-0YM4&feature=related

Also included are the Long and Charge beams.

http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=mga_mv2ch16&image_id=22

Wavebuster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8V1mJ_09F8&feature=related

The Plasma Beam: A peircing beam, it goes through what the wave beam doesn't. Namely, anything classified as an "enemy." That can include robots, creatures, whatever. If it moves, the plasma beam kils it.

(video coming soon.)
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Re: Samus Aran [Discussion]

Postby Proto-Mind » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:44 pm

I was testing out Samus' shinespark and comparing it to her missiles and super missiles. Here's what I noticed.

  • S is Samus.
  • m is missile.
  • s is super missile.
  • - is the length.

It's obvious projectiles will have a head start, so for this to be tested properly, the shinespark must start immediately after the projectile is fired.

Samus fires a missile. This begins like so.

Sm

After the missile is fired, it should look a little something like this.

S-m

When Samus takes flight, she tends to remain close to the missile. So close, in fact, that she's actually touching it.

-----Sm

Then something strange happens. Not even a second passes, and the missile outruns Samus.

----------------S----------m

The missile ends up going off screen while Samus is still in flight.

Now let's go with the super missile.

Ss

--S--------------------------s

That's exactly how it happens. Samus doesn't even touch the super missile. It's long gone, it already hit the other side before Samus touches the other side. So I was curious just how fast Samus traveled between using the Speed Booster and shinespark. I first had to determine where the Speed Booster activates, and then use that very spot to also use the shinespark. I won't say it was perfect, but I tried getting the timing correctly. The Speed Booster allowed Samus to cover a certain area in 00:00:01:56. The shinespark was 00:00:01:32.

What is the percent difference?

1.56 - 1.32 is 0.24.

0.24 / 1.56 is 0.15.

Supersonic speed is Mach 1.2, which is 921.6 mph or 411.6 m/s. So, adding 15% to the speed should be 1,059.84 mph, which is between Mach 1.3 and 1.4. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to see how fast the missiles and super missiles go, but I'm going to guess that within half a millisecond it exceeds Mach 1.4. The super missile is just ridiculous, though. So yeah. Hopefully I did all of this correctly.

On a side note, there is also the speed increase with Samus' Varia Suit in Metroid II: Return of Samus. This is strictly only that game. There is a hallway along the way to acquiring the Varia Suit. If memory serves, it took 11 seconds to get to the other side. With the Varia Suit it only took 10. This is a 9% difference, meaning that if Samus' running speed is 65 mph, since she outruns a particular avalanche, then this would increase Samus' speed to 71 mph.

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Samus' RT based on the Gandrayda cut-scene.

When Samus begins walking away from Gandrayda after the two go up the elevator, it shows Samus walking a distance. Well, when Gandrayda fires at Samus, strangely she isn't even far from Gandrayda. Based on what I've observed, Samus is in her Morph Ball mode, and from Conglometroid, the size of the Morph Ball is 75.85 centimeters. So what I did was I took that number and had to somewhat place two Morph Ball sizes close to each other. I took the full size of the Morph Ball, which was 52 pixels, and the other portion, which was 22.

52 - 22 = 30 / 52 = .58

75.85 + (.58)(75.85) = 119.843 cm. Well, 119.843 cm is the same as 1.19843 m. Surprisingly, this falls very close to point-blank range, which is 3 feet. 1.19843 is the same as 3.9 feet. Well, after doing all of that, I decided to go with subsonic speeds here, meaning the projectile fired at Samus would be traveling 614.4 mph, which is the same as 274.73.

t = d/s

t = 1.19843 / 274.73

t = 0.004

Since milliseconds represent 1/1,000, this means that 0.004 seconds is the same as 4 milliseconds. Just for fun, if the projectile was traveling at the speed of sound, Samus' RT here would be 3 milliseconds, and if at supersonic (Mach 1.2), 2 milliseconds.
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Re: Samus Aran [Discussion]

Postby Proto-Mind » Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:05 pm

I've been curious about how much gravity Nightmare increased in Metroid: Other M and Metroid Fusion. Of course, the two are different because in MOM if Samus fires a missile, it will travel a certain distance, whereas in MF once it's fired, it drops automatically to the ground. So I may have found out how much gravity Nightmare increased in MOM. I had gone with 2 g simply because it was the lowest and safest assumption one could make. If that was the case, then it would mean that Samus' weight would have been 180 kg.

Well, just today I asked elsewhere about this, and a fellow used the kinematic equation to determine how much increase in gravity there was in MOM. Of course, I would like to make sure if this is accurate. I had failed to mention how the projectile was being fired and in what direction it was being fired. Fortunately this person assumed correctly that it was being fired like a bullet. I don't know if mentioning the distance between the projectile and the ground would have made any difference in the gravitational increase, but here's what I was given.

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If a projectile covers 10 meters while traveling 343 m/s in the forward direction, that means it was in the air for approximately 10/343 seconds, or .02915 seconds. For Earth's gravity, the bullet has to fall from it's starting height to zero in that time frame. Using the kinematic equation, x = 1/2 gt^2 +x_0, we get that x_0 has to be 4.16789 mm above the ground.

Using this same starting point, we can solve for gravity by filling in what we know to the kinematic equation from before, x(t) = 1/2 g t^2 +x_0. We find the time this projectile is in the air as we did before, 4.551 m / 343 m/s to get 0.013268 seconds. Assuming same starting point and flat angle of firing.

0 = 1/2 g (.013268s)^2 + .00416789 m

g is then 47.2735 m/s^2, or about 4.8 times Earth's gravity.


So, there you guys have it. This would mean that Samus' weight was 432 kg. Although this is a small number, make no mistake that under this gravity no human would be standing. (Samus could walk along Jupiter without the Gravity Suit if its surface was solid. Jupiter's gravity is 2.54 greater than Earth's.) They should be lying down on the ground at 2 g. So this is still impressive. If Nightmare's gravity is much greater in MF, then we just might have g greater than 4.8. Now people might be wondering where I got the 10 meters and the 4.551 meters. I simply took this from the Metroid.com where it said the missiles traveled between 3 - 10 m. If the missiles travel further than this, it just may mean a higher gravity.

The 4.551 meters came from the distance the missile covered in MOM. This wasn't an easy task, as I had to shift from first-person to third-person. I got around 6 Morph Balls in distance. According to the Conglometroid site concerning the size of the Morph Ball, the approximated value was 75.85 cm. in diameter. We know already in Metroid Prime that there is a small tunnel that is 1 meter in diameter, so the Morph Ball would have to be slightly smaller than that. Well, 75.85 * 6 = 455.1 cm, or 4.551 m.

So yeah, if anyone wants to give any input on this or feels like this could be tested again to make sure it's accurate, go right ahead. My only problem is x_0 having to be 4.16789 mm from the ground. We know Samus stands 6'3", so with her arm straight out might make this gravity greater or lesser. I'm not sure, but I'm inclined to think it would be greater.
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Re: Samus Aran [Discussion]

Postby Proto-Mind » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:09 am

Looking at the Observatory in Metroid Prime, I noticed an asteroid belt, which leads me to believe that Ceres Station is not located in the same asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, thus, I am left in the dark concerning the Metroid cosmos. Ignore my hypothesis.

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I might expand on this further if I am feeling motivated or bored. So here's what I have so far and I really am not sure if anyone has ever tried this out for the Metroid series.

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I have made note that the Metroid Universe seems to be based on our universe. This would mean that the planets and solar systems are located within the Milky Way. The only other galaxy aside from this one is the Tetra Galaxy. Of course, we don't know where that is located. In fact, we don't know where any planet is located.

I have an idea, however. This idea may give us a starting point if it is true, and that starting point would be Ceres Station. In Super Metroid, this station appears to be surrounded by asteroids, so perhaps this station was named after the dwarf planet Ceres. Perhaps it is also located within the same asteroid belt.

If Ceres Station is located within the same asteroid belt, it would mean that it is orbiting around the Sun, which would also place it between Mars and Jupiter. If this is also true, this should also mean planet Zebes is located within our solar system. Of course, this causes a problem because Zebes is in a solar system of its own.

Prior to Metroid Prime, it may have been the idea that Zebes was located within our solar system, which means there wasn't another solar system. This brings up a few problems. First, if Zebes is in another solar system, then Ceres Station is not in our solar system, meaning that we are once again left in the dark.

Second, if Ceres Station is located in the asteroid belt, and if Zebes is in another solar system, then by using the distance between Ceres and Eris, I can find out how far Samus at least traveled. For the aphelion distance it is 14,161,562,751,518.94 meters (1.49691034 × 10⁻³ ly), and for the perihelion distance, it is 5,359,822,431,013.74 meters (5.66545779 × 10⁻⁴ ly).

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Re: Samus Aran [Discussion]

Postby Mea quidem sententia » Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:11 pm

From my blog at Wikitroid. I formatted it here.

Samus Aran is 90 kilograms. The Speed Booster allows Samus to run at supersonic speeds. The low-end is Mach 1.2. At sea level, the speed of sound travels at 343 m/s. 343 m/s * 1.2 = 411.6 m/s. Using different formulae, we can learn how many joules Samus would produce, the TNT equivalent, the newtons, and the g-force.

Joules
The equation for kinetic energy is KE = 0.5 mv^2.

KE = 0.5 * (90 kg.)(411.6 m/s)^2
KE = 0.5 * (90 kg.)(169,414.56 m^2/s^2)
KE = 0.5 * 15,247,310.4 kg. m^2/s^2
KE = 7,623,655.2 J

TNT equivalent
1 gram of TNT is equal to 4,184 J. 1 ton of TNT is equal to 4,184,000,000 J. Because the amount of joules produced from Samus when she dashes at supersonic speeds is smaller, she won't be producing the equivalent of even 1 ton of TNT. If 1 gram of TNT is equal to 4,184 joules, then multiplying that by 1,000 will give us 1 kilogram of TNT, which is equal to 4,184,000 joules. 7,623,655.2 joules is greater than 4,184,000 joules. Dividing them will give the amount of TNT.

7,623,655.2 J / 4,184,000 J = 1.8 kilograms of TNT.

Newtons
The equation for newtons is N = kg. * m/s^2. 1 N is 1 kg. * m/s^2.
N = 90 kg. * 411.6 m/s^2
N = 37,044

G-Force
In both Metroid Fusion and Metroid: Zero Mission, it takes about 2 seconds for Samus to travel supersonic speeds. I will determine the g-force by means of acceleration.

a = v1 - v0 / t
a = 411.6 m/s - 0 m/s / 2 s
a = 411.6 m/s / 2 s
a = 205.8 m/s^2

Earth's gravity is 9.8 m/s^2.

205.8 m/s^2 / 9.8 m/s^2 = 21 g

According to Wikipedia, "A hard slap on the face may briefly impose hundreds of g locally but not produce any real damage; a constant 16 g for a minute, however, may be deadly." (Wikipedia - g-force)

Distance Samus dropped from an alternate entrance to the Pyrosphere (9/21/2013)

Using the equation, d = vit 1/2 at^2, I was able to figure the distance Samus dropped. I originally assumed 30.49 m. (100 ft.), but after using the equation, I ended up with a distance of 59.34 m. (194.64 ft.) I timed the drop three times. The results were:

00:00'03"60
00:00'03"82
00:00'03"01
00:00'10"43

Then I divided 10.43 / 3, which gave me 00:00'03"47. Because the initial velocity and time was zero, we can ignore that.

d = 1/2 (9.8 m/s)(3.47 s)^2
d = 1/2 (9.8 m/s)(12.04 s)
d = 1/2 (118 m.)
d = 59 m.

I can then find out the gravitational potential energy by using U = mgh.

U = mgh
U = (90 kg.)(9.8 N/kg.)(59.34 m.)
U = (882 N)(59.34 m.)
U = 52,337.88 N m

In order to find out the impact force, I will divide newton-meters by 0.5 m. because Samus ends up crouching once she lands.

52,337.88 N m / 0.5 m. = 104,675.76 N

The last thing I want to calculate is the velocity Samus was traveling.

sqrt(2(9.8 m/s)(59.14 m.)) = 34.1 m/s, or 76.26 mi/h.

Metroid: Other M Elevator Drop (9/22/2013)

I decided to calculate the drop of this elevator, although I only used the stop watch once. The time I got was 1.93 seconds. I'll use a similar calculation to what I have done before to find the distance.

d = gt^2/2
d = (9.8 m/s)(1.93 s)^2 / 2
d = (9.8 m/s)(3.7249 s) / 2
d = 36.5 m. / 2
d = 18.25 m.

I will use the standard weight of an elevator according to the American National Elevator Standards Group, which is 997.9 kg.

U = mgh
U = (997.9 kg.)(9.8 N/kg.)(18.25 m.)
U = (9,779.42 N)(18.25 m.)
U = 178,474.415 N m

Because the entire elevator is destroyed on impact, I will divide that by 1, which will simply give me 178,474.415 N. As for the velocity it was traveling, that would be sqrt((2)(9.8 m/s)(18.25 m.)), which is 18.91 m/s, or 42.27 mi/h.
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Re: Samus Aran [Discussion]

Postby Mea quidem sententia » Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:19 pm

Meta Ridley's fall

Below is how long it took for Meta RIdley to drop after being knocked off the Artifact Temple.

00:00'02"97
00:00'03"06
00:00'03"10
00:00'09"13

9.13 / 3 = 3.04 seconds. Using gt^2/2, I end up with 45.28 meters, or 148.52 feet. That doesn't seem very high, but that's 13.72 stories, so I suppose this image gives a nice visual of how far the drop was.
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Re: Samus Aran [Discussion]

Postby Mea quidem sententia » Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:53 pm

By how much g did Nightmare increase?

In this post, the gravity produced by Nightmare is 4.8 g. I don't disagree with the equation used to get 4.8 g, but Samus' missiles travel at the same speed as Samus' shinespark, but the missile gains extra speed after about 1 second. So instead of using 343 m/s for Samus' missile, I will use 411.6 m/s, since that's Mach 1.2.

In Metroid: Zero Mission, Samus' arm cannon is pointing outward horizontally. She's 1.98 m. I checked the pixels for Samus in MZM, so 1.98 m. is equal to 81 pixels. The bottom of the tip of Samus' arm cannon to the ground is 53 pixels.

53 pixels / 81 pixels = 0.6543, or 65.43%

1.98 m. * 0.6543 = 1.296 m.

With this in mind, I will use the equation, g = 2(viyt - Δy) / t², where g is gravity, viy is the initial velocity for the y axis, t is time, Δy is change in initial height divided by time squared. Because the initial velocity and time is 0, that will be ignored. I will begin with the distance Samus' missiles traveled under the gravity produced by Nightmare, which was 4.551 m.

4.551 m. / 411.6 m/s = 0.0110568513119534 s

g = 2(1.296 m.) / (0.0110568513119534 s)²
g = 2.592 m. / (0.0110568513119534 s)²
g = 2.592 m. / 0.0001222539609346456 s
g = 21,201.7670444692484371206676 m/s

Samus' missiles, according to the official Metroid Prime Web site, can travel 3 to 10 m. I will use the same equation, the only difference now being the time it would take for Samus' missiles to travel 10 m. while traveling 411.6 m/s.

10 m. / 411.6 m/s = 0.0242954324586978 s

g = 2(1.296 m.) / (0.0242954324586978 s)²
g = 2.592 m. / (0.0242954324586978 s)²
g = 2.592 m. / 0.0005902680383551466 s
g = 4,391.2253951999874861275618 m/s

Since I have the gravity for both, I shall divide them.

21,201.7670444692484371206676 m/s / 4,391.2253951999874861275618 m/s = 4.83 g. Under 343 m/s, it's 4.82 g, so the difference is rather negligible. In Metroid Fusion, Samus' missiles drop as soon as they're fired. I think it would be generous for me to say that Samus' missiles even travel 1 m. when she's fighting Nightmare in MF. Using the same calculation, I end up with the following.

1 m. / 411.6 m/s = 0.0024295432458698 s

g = 2(1.296 m.) / (0.0024295432458698 s)²
g = 2.592 m. / (0.0024295432458698 s)²
g = 2.592 m. / 0.0000059026803835516 s
g = 439,122.5395199887798500124531 m/s

439,122.5395199887798500124531 m/s / 4,391.2253951999874861275618 m/s = 99.99 g

One of the other issues I have with this, however, is that visual evidence does not show that the effective range for Samus' missiles is 10 m. I have checked that RPGs can fire 100 to 800 m. If I use 100 m. instead, I'll end up with different results.

100 m. / 411.6 m/s = 0.2429543245869776 s

g = 2(1.296 m.) / ( 0.2429543245869776 s)²
g = 2.592 m. / ( 0.2429543245869776 s)²
g = 2.592 m. / 0.0590268038355144684 s
g = 43.9122539520000173997041 m/s

Since I have the meters per second for when Samus' missile only covers a range of 4.551 meters, I will take the end result for both and divide them.

21,201.7670444692484371206676 m/s / 43.9122539520000173997041 m/s = 482.82 g

If I do the same thing with Nightmare in MF, I end up getting 9,999.99 g. That's ridiculously high. I'm sure it could be hand waved by saying Samus was integrated with Chozo DNA, so for all we know, that's allowing her to survive extreme gravity. If that's the case, her bones, muscles, and tissue are more durable.

So why need the Gravity Suit? Well, considering Samus can move and wall-jump in extreme gravity, perhaps the only reason for the Gravity Suit is to make traversing under this condition easier. After all, she can traverse in water without the Gravity Suit, but again, it makes her getting through it easier.

Both calculations are correct as far as I'm aware, but the main issue is if Nightmare in MOM increased gravity by 482.82 times Earth's, and if Samus is struggling under that condition to move around, then why doesn't 9,999.99 g kill her? The only way to resolve this is by finding a flaw in the calculation for one or both, or ignoring one of the two calculations with reason.
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