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Re: Thor vs Link

Postby guardianangel1911 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:09 pm

huh, weird don't know why they did that.
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Re: Thor vs Link

Postby CH1C4N0444 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:50 pm

So, the EMH Thor and 616 Thor are a stomp, right?

Anyway stuff for MCU Thor:

Most famous feat, destroys Sokovia
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_bl ... ys_Sokovia
Lowest end calc on there is I believe is around 1 megaton.

Shakes a college campus
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_bl ... the_ground
Significantly less impressive, but still ~.06 tons of TNT.

Hits Cap's shield and destroys the surrounding forest.
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_bl ... s_-_part_1
A little under a ton of TNT low end.

Wrecks Iron Man
https://gfycat.com/BlueIdleDeermouse

Casually tosses around Ultron Drones.
https://gfycat.com/RecklessBowedCatbird

Blitzes Hulk through a wall.
https://gfycat.com/GrossUnequaledBangeltiger

Crushes Iron Man's gauntlets.
https://gfycat.com/FocusedFewBadger
Which apparently takes 15 MN (used a converter from 3,456,000 lbf) to do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cpfR8QaDvw @11:05

Destroys a portion of Jotenheim
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_bl ... _Jotunheim
15 tons of TNT

Breaks a rock monster.
https://gfycat.com/PositiveBonyAmericanpainthorse

Destroys the Bifrost
https://www.narutoforums.org/xfa-blog-e ... mcu.34691/
319 tons of TNT

Slaps Malekeith through a concrete pillar.
https://gfycat.com/OfficialPhysicalDodobird
Which according to the Yang vs Tifa Deathbattle takes 1,400 Tons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IOf8F6ChKs @13:31

Even before the events of Ragnarok, Thor consistently uses lightning throughout his fights as blasts or as amps to his punches:
https://gfycat.com/PointlessTotalCoelacanth
https://gfycat.com/CandidGraciousDunlin
https://gfycat.com/DifficultEminentBantamrooster
https://gfycat.com/SlimElegantGentoopenguin
https://gfycat.com/SadSoftGypsymoth
https://gfycat.com/IllinformedWillingAmphiuma
https://gfycat.com/BraveAdmirableChupacabra
https://gfycat.com/WealthyDimAfricanbushviper
Just pointing out, that's about every fight he's had in the MCU too.

Kurse throwing a rock at Thor:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/g ... 827540/#30
Low end 416 tons (tonnes=/=short tons)

Thor blocks blasts from Destroyer
https://gfycat.com/BronzeGreedyBlacknorwegianelkhound

Thor blocks blasts from Loki's sceptor
https://gfycat.com/ValuableSnivelingBabirusa

Blocks Chitarui plasma(?) bolts
https://gfycat.com/UnrealisticPeacefulArgali

Dodges Malekeith's Aether bolts
https://gfycat.com/EverlastingCompleteBarbet

EMH Thor:

Destroys a portion of a city:
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_bl ... _Thor_calc
764 kT of TNT

Judo flips an Ice Giant
https://gfycat.com/DisgustingReflecting ... obutterfly

Breaks out of being encased in ice
https://gfycat.com/WarpedShyEuropeanfiresalamander

In a super awkward postion manages to lift a beam off of himself.
https://gfycat.com/YearlyNecessaryDogwoodclubgall

Stops an amped Abomination's punch with one punch.
https://gfycat.com/ShowyLoathsomeGallinule

One shots a giant alien looking thing.
https://gfycat.com/SinfulEducatedBandicoot

Sends Bulldozer flying
https://gfycat.com/MajesticMelodicAmazontreeboa

Disperses a being of energy
https://gfycat.com/AstonishingSameChimpanzee

Dents Ultron
https://streamable.com/ffhgc

One shots the Wrecking Crew
https://gfycat.com/InfantileThickCrow

Sends Graviton Flying.
https://gfycat.com/CluelessDifficultArchaeocete

Thor shatters glass that Captain Marvel, Wasp, Captain America, Black Panther, and Hawkeye couldn't break.
https://gfycat.com/WeakHastyElephantbeetle
https://gfycat.com/DeficientDecisiveBoto

Sends Rulk flying while he's lifting a corner of the Statue of Liberty
https://gfycat.com/ShamefulGlitteringGrison

Brings Galactus to a knee
https://gfycat.com/PreciousCloudyEquine

Wrecks Kree Spacecraft (should be durable since ya know they're meant to go to space/survive being in https://gfycat.com/EuphoricSpeedyAmericanwirehair

Summons a huge lightning bolt that takes out three Ice Giants
https://streamable.com/o93si

Uhm, Thor can destroy some type of singularity. Wasp looks like she's being spaghettified in it.
https://streamable.com/jzxnj

Destroys a part of a bridge on Asgard
https://gfycat.com/UnawareRelievedDwarfrabbit

One shots three alien ships
https://gfycat.com/KlutzyLegitimateBasenji

Takes down a Herald of Galactus almost singlehandidly. Vision finishes him off, but it's clear Thor did most of the work.
https://gfycat.com/BelovedNegligibleAcornwoodpecker

Summons a a storm that brings down a Skrull capital ship
https://streamable.com/wujc3

Thor does the same thing to Kree robots
https://gfycat.com/DeadlyUnsungAlaskanhusky

Probably not going to use it, but could potentially BFR link
https://gfycat.com/NimbleMistyBallpython

Can create shields
https://gfycat.com/LeadingConfusedGemsbuck

Takes down two Iron Man drones
https://gfycat.com/GrimUnpleasantAngelwingmussel

Knocks out Iron Man
https://gfycat.com/WideImportantLangur

Oneshots Super Skrulls that use multiple powers from different heroes on Earth
https://streamable.com/zc8el

Destroys multiple satellites spread across the Earth
https://streamable.com/bf7ko

Beam struggle with Ultron
https://gfycat.com/VacantQuarterlyGlobefish

Sends Kang's blast back at him, knocks him out though.
https://gfycat.com/AnchoredEnviousGalapagospenguin

Sends Wonder Man and Abomination flying
https://gfycat.com/EmptyDecimalBrant

Tanks Vision weighing 500 tons to the face. In fact, takes it so well he manages to come out on top of Vision with no visible damage ready to attack.
https://streamable.com/8py9r

I remember being incredibly underwhelmed when I first saw that scene, so I decided to calc a few different things from it (energy, force, pressure, power, and momentum)
Energy:
PE=mgh
m=500 tons
g=9.8m/s^2
h=12,000m (looks to ME like Vision is in space, he's at least above cloud levels which according to Wikipedia is 12,000m for Cumulonimbus Clouds. I'll use that for a low end)
500 tons*9.8m/s^2*12km=53,342,462,712 J or 12 Tons.
For comparison, a MOAB is about this powerful according to this chart:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of ... de_(energy)#106_to_1011_J

Force (accounting for drag)
F=.5rowACv^2
row (density, air in this case): 1.225 kg/m^3 This wouldn't be a constant, but to make it easier for me I'll assume it is.
A (surface area): 2.14m^2 (used 5'10 and 200lbs for weight and height since plugging in 500 tons gives me numbers from 50.41m^2-208.45m^2 on this calculator http://www.calculator.net/body-surface- ... &x=84&y=31)
C (drag coefficient) I used 1.05 (cube drag coefficient) since that's more or less of a shape he'd be in.
v (velocity) I used this calculator for velocity: http://www.calctool.org/CALC/eng/aerospace/terminal plugging in 500 tons for mass, 2.14 m^2 for cross sectional area, 1.05 for drag coefficient, 1.225 kg/m^3 for density and 1g for gravity and got 1902.60m/s for v
SO:
.5*1.225kg/m^3*2.14m^2*1.05*(1902.6m/s)^2=4,982,004.9 N
OR
F=ma
500 tons*9.8m/s^2=4,445,205.23 N
According to this chart, that's over the weight of a blue whale. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of ... ude_(force)

Pressure:
p=F/A
F (calced before)
A (shown above)
4,982,004.9 N/2.14m^2=2,328,039.67 P
or
4,445,205.23 N/2.14m^2=2,077,198.71 P
So, this is about the pressure of a human bite. That's a lot less than I thought it'd be. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of ... _(pressure)

Power:
P=E/t
E calced before
t The whole scene takes about 21s so I'll use that
53,342,462,712 J/21s=2,540,117,272 W
A little more power than the Aswan Dam which according to Wikipedia powered HALF of Egypt's power at it's peak
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aswan_Dam ... production

Momentum:
p=mv
All above
500 tons*1902.6m/s=863,004,843kg*m/s
Which is fairly close to the momentum of Apollo 11 being launched to orbit, according to this scale
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_second
This was the hardest to find a real world equivalent of.

Gets knocked onto the ground by Rulk from orbit
https://gfycat.com/PossibleCleverCentipede

Uru amped Absorbing Man doesn't break Thor's concentration
https://streamable.com/58f2r
https://streamable.com/itwi8

Has a building knocked on him, doesn't bother Thor really.
https://gfycat.com/SlowDescriptiveAchillestang

Takes a ice pick to the face from an Ice Giant
https://gfycat.com/SadAbleEsok

Amped Abomination lands a few blows on Thor
https://gfycat.com/BouncyBetterAntelopegroundsquirrel

Getting beat on by three Frost Giants just pisses him off
https://gfycat.com/IllfatedPaleAdmiralbutterfly

BRB gives Thor a taste of his own medicine, totally fine afterwards
https://gfycat.com/FirmImpureChinesecrocodilelizard

Tanks a huge blast to the face the comparable to the size of Asgard, only knocks him out momentarily.
https://gfycat.com/AdorableGrizzledAmethystsunbird

Tanks Iron Man's repulsor beams
https://gfycat.com/OblongNiceBufflehead

The planet busting bomb AoO mentioned
https://streamable.com/sa0wy
Mar-Vell says the blast radius is the entire planet, so I found an equation on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_w ... ontroversy That says:
R=S(Et^2/row)^(1/5)
Where R is the radius (Earth's diameter)
S is apparently about 1
E is energy (variable)
t is time after detonation (the explosion seems to last about 6 seconds)
row is density (which creates a problem since AFAIK space has density that my Google-Fu is telling me is measured in atoms/cm^3 not kg/m^3) Correction, I found this table which gives me a list of densities. Yay. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of ... e_(density)
So, using some algebraic manipulation I get:
E=rowR^5/St^2
SO I'll use the density of 1e-18 kg/m^3
Correct me if my Math is wrong at any point
1e-18kg/m^3*(7,917.5 mi)^5/1*(6s)^2=9.33001379e15 J or 2 MT

Which makes me wonder how much density affects explosive yield and why.

This post took me a lot longer than I thought it would to do, so I'll end with that.
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Re: Thor vs Link

Postby guardianangel1911 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:01 pm

Here are some feat compilation videos for Earth's Mightiest Heroes Thor just in case, sorry for any repeat stuff between them.
https://youtu.be/YyFNAN2SZHY

https://youtu.be/UPVnBz4kBfU
https://youtu.be/HJ3yayU-law
https://youtu.be/z9ECL1ybNXo

semi music video but still shows some of Thor's firepower against Galactus in addition to some repeated stuff from the first video
https://youtu.be/Kick7mPgeA0
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Re: Thor vs Link

Postby Friendlysociopath » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:04 pm

Mea quidem sententia wrote:@Friendly
The one-hit obliterator's damage output is literally an infinite sign. I don't think much thought has to be put into determining how powerful that weapon is.


A guy who was said to have the power to shape the universe hit Godzilla with a beam that had the infinity sign. Does Godzilla have infinite energy?

At best we know it can oneshot anything in the game- whether that power would be enough to damage Thor is doubtful.
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Re: Thor vs Link

Postby Alpha or Omega » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:43 pm

That one shot obliterator only happened under a trial, and it wasn't actually used for normal purposes because you can't use it outside of the trial.
You would think that a thing like that would be mass produced in order to combat Ganon and his forces.

Link does get a pretty sweet motorcycle in the DLC, and in a debate, he can literally just summon it with his phone.
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Re: Thor vs Link

Postby Friendlysociopath » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:46 pm

Alpha or Omega wrote:That one shot obliterator only happened under a trial, and it wasn't actually used for normal purposes because you can't use it outside of the trial.
You would think that a thing like that would be mass produced in order to combat Ganon and his forces.

Link does get a pretty sweet motorcycle in the DLC, and in a debate, he can literally just summon it with his phone.
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That's really effective for phone-users. I literally had to zoom in to make sure those weren't lines.
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Re: Thor vs Link

Postby Alpha or Omega » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:56 pm

I was too lazy to get the strikethrough text.
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Re: Thor vs Link

Postby Mea quidem sententia » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:25 pm

@AoO
Link is composite.

@Friendly
I don't know why Godzilla would have infinite energy. That's really a bad example, since Godzilla is bullshit as it is.

Odd that you're not applying this same skepticism for Thor. Odd, still, that you're ignoring EC.
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Re: Thor vs Link

Postby Friendlysociopath » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:01 am

Mea quidem sententia wrote:@AoO
Link is composite.


Composite doesn't mean he can take items limited to one area outside of said area. Either Link can't use it outside of the trial or he won't. The former isn't undone by composite and neither is the latter. Either case is irrelevant mind you since comic Thor out-stats Link so severely it's insane but still, point is point.


Mea quidem sententia wrote:@Friendly
I don't know why Godzilla would have infinite energy. That's really a bad example, since Godzilla is bullshit as it is.


I can certainly find other examples if you wish. It's far from the only media to use the infinity symbol and none are assumed to have true infinite power without additional sourcing beyond the symbol itself being present. I'm merely parroting the reasoning I was given- actual infinity isn't enough to just have the symbol.


Mea quidem sententia wrote:Odd that you're not applying this same skepticism for Thor. Odd, still, that you're ignoring EC.


Odder still that you're drawing comparisons for two things that are nothing the same. Nobody on Thor's side is insisting he has a weapon that can one-shot anything because it an infinity symbol appeared. Be a bit weird to draw a comparison when the exact thing I have an issue with isn't present on Thor's end.
What am I to be skeptical of from the scans given btw? That it's a star they flew into? Thor didn't say that, narration did.
That bullets hit Thor and did no damage? Not a word is spoken during that scan.
That a ship that can hold a solar system exploded and hit him and he lived? All he's doing is ruminating about how he hasn't slept- virtually nothing about the hit itself.
Do tell- what exactly should I be skeptical of?

That said, EC? For it to be EC it needs something to compare it with- is it energy? Thor has the ability to redirect/absorb energy- again- in much larger quantities than anything LoZ has to offer outside of nebulous infinity ratings. People who blow up stars and shake the universe are characters Thor fights routinely.

He can even, if he wants, turn all mystical energies off entirely.
http://i.imgur.com/cuXUnxt.jpg
616 Thor is almost literally Link's worst nightmare (thus far on the site anyways). He's far stronger in every way compared to anything Link has faced and is immune to many of Link's hax purely on his own merits without invoking NLF's.

Can't be BFR'd for example
http://i.imgur.com/ko7hUq3.jpg

Thor could indirectly wipe out Link by accident if he were to draw an ocean through a portal- or a star
http://i.imgur.com/5CStGFJ.jpg
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Re: Thor vs Link

Postby Alpha or Omega » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:40 am

Mea quidem sententia wrote:Link is composite.

I said it because we don't know if it works outside of the trial. It's only use was in the trial, so it may not even work outside of it.
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