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Ragna vs Raiden

Postby Friendlysociopath » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:09 am

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Characters: Raiden (Metal Gear Revengeance), Ragna (Blazblue)


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Re: Ragna vs Raiden

Postby Alpha or Omega » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:03 am

From what I got from other threads, this Ragna guy can attack souls with his sword scythe thing.
Whereever I went, there was a debate over scaling and a...retcon or something.
Then, there were debates over Astral Heats/Astral finishers with Makoto's "planet crusher" mass scattering the moon and large scale explosions from punches or weapons. There's also a lightning timer called Hazama who I heard Ragna with "Idea Engine" kept up with
https://youtu.be/2EAdPX_pGbk?t=6
https://youtu.be/mMfOF9zmj6I?t=5

I couldn't find anything on whether or not anime was canon.

So, here's my stance.
Raiden should pretty much cut this featless dude. If we go by powerscaling and accept Astral Heats/Astral Finishers, there's a stomp.
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Re: Ragna vs Raiden

Postby Friendlysociopath » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:14 pm

The Idea Engine AFAIK messes up Ragna's body if he uses it. Might as well count the anime if we don't know any better too.
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Re: Ragna vs Raiden

Postby Alpha or Omega » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:31 pm

Alright. I'm not to big on Blazblue.
In the anime, Ragna was thrown through some pillars and was impaled. That's all I got.
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Re: Ragna vs Raiden

Postby Polloloko » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:57 pm

Isnt Raiden stronger, faster & more durable than Ragna?

Theres also the mode that makes Raiden see in slow motion and cut at the same speed he away cut.
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Re: Ragna vs Raiden

Postby Friendlysociopath » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:05 pm

Polloloko wrote:Isnt Raiden stronger, faster & more durable than Ragna?

Theres also the mode that makes Raiden see in slow motion and cut at the same speed he away cut.


Well the problem is I also don't really know much about Ragna or his verse. A lot of the time my matches are things other people ask of me.
Raiden is certainly capable of lifting and suplexing Metal Gear Excelsus, and he can outrun bullets and his fight with Monsoon has raindrops freeze in midair for probably half a minute while he slashes away. Durability-wise his best feats are probably Armstrong beating on him when Armstrong is just as strong as, if not stronger, than Raiden himself is.

But I have no idea what Ragna can do. Some sites scale him to another dude's Astral Finisher where he bodyslams an opponent from space but that comes across as poor scaling when the point of those attacks is presumably that they finish the battle. Supposedly some characters can react to this laser:
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_bl ... es_a_laser
But I do not know whether this is the case or not. If it's used as an Astral Finisher like the other move then I question whether a character can actually "react" to it or not using gameplay alone.

There could be a cinematic where they indeed dodge/deflect/react in some manner but I don't know of it.
This is the cutscene used in the calc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQIFU7Sen84
But I don't see anyone react to the laser after it fires. The latter cutscene has the defense formed before we see the laser fire.
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Re: Ragna vs Raiden

Postby Polloloko » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:29 pm

Well the problem is I also don't really know much about Ragna or his verse. A lot of the time my matches are things other people ask of me.
Raiden is certainly capable of lifting and suplexing Metal Gear Excelsus, and he can outrun bullets and his fight with Monsoon has raindrops freeze in midair for probably half a minute while he slashes away. Durability-wise his best feats are probably Armstrong beating on him when Armstrong is just as strong as, if not stronger, than Raiden himself is.

But I have no idea what Ragna can do. Some sites scale him to another dude's Astral Finisher where he bodyslams an opponent from space but that comes across as poor scaling when the point of those attacks is presumably that they finish the battle. Supposedly some characters can react to this laser:
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_bl ... es_a_laser
But I do not know whether this is the case or not. If it's used as an Astral Finisher like the other move then I question whether a character can actually "react" to it or not using gameplay alone.

There could be a cinematic where they indeed dodge/deflect/react in some manner but I don't know of it.
This is the cutscene used in the calc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQIFU7Sen84
But I don't see anyone react to the laser after it fires. The latter cutscene has the defense formed before we see the laser fire.


Didnt Screw Attack covered Ragna's stats?

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Here = https://youtu.be/5lQxaLuoghc

Looks to me that Ragna is Town Level with Hypersonic speed to posible/debateably Massive Hypersonic.

I dont bite the Ragna is Continent Level.

I still think Raiden have this.
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