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Re: Nero vs Yang vs Allen vs Shirou

Postby wingedlion » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:21 pm

Friendlysociopath wrote:What's a Crane wing?

Crane wing is the ultimate technique Archer developed with Kanshou and Bankyou, which Shirou uses in order to defeat Saber Alter by tapping into Archer's arm. It essentially works by attacking and distracting the opponent with multiple pairs of the sword and abusing it's magnetic abilities (the swords are attracted to each other) in order to score a fatal attack on the opponent. Shirou used it to push Saber into a position where he was able to fatally cut her down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znmECWz-8MI&t=772s
This is their entire battle. He uses it at around 20:50.
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Also why do I keep hearing "RIP Weiss"? I don't for a second believe they're going to kill off probably the most merchandised character in the show.

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Re: Nero vs Yang vs Allen vs Shirou

Postby Lowk » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:18 pm

wingedlion wrote:
Friendlysociopath wrote:
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Also why do I keep hearing "RIP Weiss"? I don't for a second believe they're going to kill off probably the most merchandised character in the show.

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Cinder stabbed Weiss in the stomach with a flame lance.


I mean, I'd be okay with Oscar taking the role of mage. He's magic and he fences in the next episode.
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Re: Nero vs Yang vs Allen vs Shirou

Postby Friendlysociopath » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:15 pm

So about the bullets Allen deals with-
https://imgur.com/adK53II

Is it just me or do they seem to resemble artillery shells? The guns that fire the things are larger in diameter than a human head- anyone have any idea about what real-world artillery piece might be about that size? I'd like to get a more certain calc for Allen's speed than just going, "Eh, it's a bullet so supersonic."
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Re: Nero vs Yang vs Allen vs Shirou

Postby Lowk » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:22 pm

Friendlysociopath wrote:So about the bullets Allen deals with-
https://imgur.com/adK53II

Is it just me or do they seem to resemble artillery shells? The guns that fire the things are larger in diameter than a human head- anyone have any idea about what real-world artillery piece might be about that size? I'd like to get a more certain calc for Allen's speed than just going, "Eh, it's a bullet so supersonic."


Looks like autocannon sized ammo

25mm
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... system.jpg

35mm
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-etMaZWmaseE/U ... t+hand.jpg
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Re: Nero vs Yang vs Allen vs Shirou

Postby Friendlysociopath » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:20 pm

Aight, judging by those pics I would say 35mm.
Those are typically 1175 m/s in velocity looking at Wikipedia. At the absolute total lowest that would be a speed Allen can easily react to and move.
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Re: Nero vs Yang vs Allen vs Shirou

Postby Lowk » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:11 am

So back to how I think Allen blitzes.
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Re: Nero vs Yang vs Allen vs Shirou

Postby Friendlysociopath » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:40 am

Lowk wrote:So back to how I think Allen blitzes.


Yang reacts to automatic rifles in her trailer, which tend to be Mach 2. Using the lowest of balls for those two specifically would mean Allen isn't even twice as fast in terms of CQC speed. I tend to reserve "blitz" for someone 2x or higher in speed- and even then it's not entirely unfounded to be able to deal with it so long as the discrepancy isn't really large like 10x.

Yang does have probably the best powerset to deal with blitzing though. Aura to dull a hit and her Semblance to make her stronger from it.
I would give Nero gets a close second with regen, even if his showings are relatively minor compared to what we see Dante laugh off.
Shirou technically has the middle ground between the two with Avalon but that thing really doesn't do the best job of protecting him for most of the series AFAIK.
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Re: Nero vs Yang vs Allen vs Shirou

Postby Friendlysociopath » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:51 pm

I don't know what Yang's physically capable of in terms of strength and durability as of later seasons. Shirou I do know can trade blows with Servants and wield Berserker's club to gain his stats.

Berserker being a guy who could wreck one or two houses with every blow
http://i.imgur.com/wzp8hNV.png

And send a human being flying hundreds of meters through the air
http://i.imgur.com/f4m15A7.png
(Note, that's a durability feat for Shirou, both for the hit and the eventual landing)

As he's composited of his 3 routes, Shirou's capable of fighting onwards even with pretty severe injuries
http://i.imgur.com/xD4Ub6T.png

Runs at 100 meters per 7 seconds
http://i.imgur.com/Diql1aA.jpg

Can Reinforce his uniform to be steel and his body even stronger
http://i.imgur.com/uaOzkSp.png

Nine Lives Blade Works, one of his most-known attacks
https://imgur.com/a/F6E7w#0
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