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Nero vs Yang vs Allen vs Shirou

Postby Friendlysociopath » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:00 am

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Characters: Nero (Devil May Cry 4), Yang Xiao Long (RWBY), Allen Walker (D Gray Man), Shirou Emiya (Fate/stay Night)


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All hands on deck! What? They're missing a hand? That's a shame- let's have them vent their frustration on each other!
Special rules? Shirou can't copy their weapons (dunno how he'd copy arms but irrelevant now) and Nero doesn't have the Yamato.
Location? Who needs a location?
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Right, location, ruins of Midgar sound good to me.
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Re: Nero vs Yang vs Allen vs Shirou

Postby Polloloko » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:11 am

So this is Heaven's Feel Route Shirou right?

Nero didnt lost his hand, he was born with a demonic hand.
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Re: Nero vs Yang vs Allen vs Shirou

Postby Lowk » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:07 am

Didn't Allen have some ridiculous speed feat of reacting to a bullet like inches from him?
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Re: Nero vs Yang vs Allen vs Shirou

Postby Friendlysociopath » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:41 pm

Lowk wrote:Didn't Allen have some ridiculous speed feat of reacting to a bullet like inches from him?


He did outrace bullets that were close to another kid but speed's only going to get you so far in this match since almost everyone can regen or durability their way around it.


Polloloko wrote:So this is Heaven's Feel Route Shirou right?

Nero didnt lost his hand, he was born with a demonic hand.


Unlimited Blade Works Shirou- plus any feats he accumulates in the other 2 routes.
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Re: Nero vs Yang vs Allen vs Shirou

Postby Friendlysociopath » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:21 am

Well, some of Allen's feats then.

For starts, basic enemy of his series, a level 1 Akuma.
The things are bulletproof to some degree
http://i.imgur.com/PuDHnDv.jpg

And the Akuma are basically machines with a soul inside
http://i.imgur.com/pFI18px.jpg

Their bullets also produce shockwaves
http://i.imgur.com/F020v7u.jpg

And look similar to real bullets
http://i.imgur.com/QMYOdE0.jpg

And are mentioned to be bullets
http://i.imgur.com/9FT5SRo.jpg

So assuming they're supersonic at a minimum doesn't seem very crass.

Allen can deflect many of these bullets
http://i.imgur.com/adK53II.jpg

Throws a chunk of building at his enemy
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/10/15
and attacks before the pieces hit the ground
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/10/16

Blocks a sudden stabbing and is thrown through buildings without, you know, dying
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/11/4
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/11/5
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/11/6
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/11/7
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/11/8


A 'doll' decides to start chucking pillars at him- which he catches
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/13/7
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/13/8
and proceeds to throw around himself to destroy the rest of the pillars so she has nothing else to throw at him
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/13/9
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/13/10
Because he doesn't want to fight a cute girl
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/13/11
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Re: Nero vs Yang vs Allen vs Shirou

Postby Polloloko » Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:54 am

Friendlysociopath wrote:
Lowk wrote:Didn't Allen have some ridiculous speed feat of reacting to a bullet like inches from him?


He did outrace bullets that were close to another kid but speed's only going to get you so far in this match since almost everyone can regen or durability their way around it.


Polloloko wrote:So this is Heaven's Feel Route Shirou right?

Nero didnt lost his hand, he was born with a demonic hand.


Unlimited Blade Works Shirou- plus any feats he accumulates in the other 2 routes.


Isnt Allen Supersonic+ ( Hypersonic ) in speed? and is bulding level at max?

While his oponents are well above that, like Yang keeping Up with Ruby who is Hypersonic+ ( High Hypersonic ), Nero who was holded himself against Dante in DMC4 who have reacted to lighting in base ( Massive Hypersonic ), Shirou with Projections can keep up and fight against Servants who can react and deflect arrows faster than lighting near point blank range = Massive Hypersonic+ ( Revalistic ).
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Re: Nero vs Yang vs Allen vs Shirou

Postby Friendlysociopath » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:49 pm

Polloloko wrote:Isnt Allen Supersonic+ ( Hypersonic ) in speed? and is bulding level at max?

While his oponents are well above that, like Yang keeping Up with Ruby who is Hypersonic+ ( High Hypersonic ), Nero who was holded himself against Dante in DMC4 who have reacted to lighting in base ( Massive Hypersonic ), Shirou with Projections can keep up and fight against Servants who can react and deflect arrows faster than lighting near point blank range = Massive Hypersonic+ ( Revalistic ).



Hypersonic in speed. Fairly sure he's above building if only because he's patently stronger than Ravi, who can make his hammer the size of a building.
Just a brief summary of Allen's hand-power
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/63/19

More bullet-timing
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/28/9
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/28/10
Ravi specifically mentions in the second scan that Allen was being slower than normal and didn't transform his weapon to block until after the enemy was already transformed


Allen also can no-sell an axe with his arm
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/36/9
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/36/10
Also I should point out an Akuma of a similar level (They're literally given levels 1-4, this one is a 2) could throw someone through two stone walls, so it's not like that was just a normal human swinging it to begin with.


Once Allen's arm gains its new form- it has yet another showing of not being cut by a blade
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/89/4
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/89/8
From both enemies and allies.


Not gonna lie, I'm not totally sure what he's doing here
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/115/11
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/115/13
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/115/14
But it seems the effect is that of a vacuum

Jumps into this whirlwind of fire
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/122/2
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/122/14
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/122/15
Pops out mostly fine

I'm having trouble finding some of Allen's better feats. The last thread where I used them was almost 40 pages long. He's above building just by that pillar thing I would think- considering he throws the thing like a boomerang. Stuff like this
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/130/11
also implies above building IIRC.
Also he gets half a feat of blowing up a city block or so- since he and Kanda worked together to do it.
Even a Linalee so wounded that she can't walk survives this sort of attack
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/126/10
(For some reason D Gray Man's writer loves beating the shit out of her characters)
Oh, odd note but Allen's proficient in bandage lassos
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/127/11


Also Yang most definitely can not keep up with Ruby- Ruby has the special power of speed as stated in-verse and by WoG- nobody has any business scaling to her speeds.
Dante also does not have lightning reactions, he can't touch Blitz when Blitz is in lightning form.
The projection of an arrow (lightning or not) didn't occur in those 3 routes and so is irrelevant.
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Re: Nero vs Yang vs Allen vs Shirou

Postby Polloloko » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:17 pm

Friendlysociopath wrote:
Polloloko wrote:Isnt Allen Supersonic+ ( Hypersonic ) in speed? and is bulding level at max?

While his oponents are well above that, like Yang keeping Up with Ruby who is Hypersonic+ ( High Hypersonic ), Nero who was holded himself against Dante in DMC4 who have reacted to lighting in base ( Massive Hypersonic ), Shirou with Projections can keep up and fight against Servants who can react and deflect arrows faster than lighting near point blank range = Massive Hypersonic+ ( Revalistic ).



Hypersonic in speed. Fairly sure he's above building if only because he's patently stronger than Ravi, who can make his hammer the size of a building.
Just a brief summary of Allen's hand-power
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/63/19

More bullet-timing
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/28/9
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/28/10
Ravi specifically mentions in the second scan that Allen was being slower than normal and didn't transform his weapon to block until after the enemy was already transformed


Allen also can no-sell an axe with his arm
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/36/9
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/36/10
Also I should point out an Akuma of a similar level (They're literally given levels 1-4, this one is a 2) could throw someone through two stone walls, so it's not like that was just a normal human swinging it to begin with.


Once Allen's arm gains its new form- it has yet another showing of not being cut by a blade
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/89/4
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/89/8
From both enemies and allies.


Not gonna lie, I'm not totally sure what he's doing here
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/115/11
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/115/13
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/115/14
But it seems the effect is that of a vacuum

Jumps into this whirlwind of fire
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/122/2
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/122/14
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/122/15
Pops out mostly fine

I'm having trouble finding some of Allen's better feats. The last thread where I used them was almost 40 pages long. He's above building just by that pillar thing I would think- considering he throws the thing like a boomerang. Stuff like this
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/130/11
also implies above building IIRC.
Also he gets half a feat of blowing up a city block or so- since he and Kanda worked together to do it.
Even a Linalee so wounded that she can't walk survives this sort of attack
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/126/10
(For some reason D Gray Man's writer loves beating the shit out of her characters)
Oh, odd note but Allen's proficient in bandage lassos
http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/127/11


Also Yang most definitely can not keep up with Ruby- Ruby has the special power of speed as stated in-verse and by WoG- nobody has any business scaling to her speeds.
Dante also does not have lightning reactions, he can't touch Blitz when Blitz is in lightning form.
The projection of an arrow (lightning or not) didn't occur in those 3 routes and so is irrelevant.


My mistake, Allen is indeed half city block level with Hypersonic speed.

Yang If not scale from Ruby, then she should be Supersonic+ ( Hypersonic ) due RWBY's bullets bieng debated to be faster than normal bullets, Is it true that Ruby is Massive Hypersonic? or is it a fluke from vs wiki?

Actually, Dante can react to Blitz when he was living at lighting speed, and can dodge lighting from the sky by Blitz, that should be Massive Hypersonic.

https://youtu.be/Q5LMSCy90as

But, yes Nero isnt scale to Dante, so...Hypersonic for Nero...I think due ( If In correct ) WoG stating that Nero is similar to DMC3 Dante during the end of DMC4.

The Fate arrow faster than lighting comes from Fate Fake, true is not in the other routes, but dont forget that Servants exist outside time, the Gilgamesh that did the faster than lighting feat in Fate Fake is the same Gilgamesh in Fate Stay Night routes, we and Commander Cross discuss this allready in a diferent thread before, anyway by that Feat, Gilgamesh is Massive Hypersonic+ ( Revalistic ) and was fighted by Saber & Lancer in Fate Route then by Berserker in UBW Route, then Shirou fighted and defeated Gilgamesh in UBW ( Even If plot was included ) then defeated Berserker in Heaven's Feel Route then defeated Saber Alter in the Bad End in Heaven's Feel Route, by that Shirou is Massive Hypersonic+ ( Revalistic ) with Projections.

Im leaning towards Shirou for this match, he even have Avalon & Blade Works ( Nine Lives & Unlimited ).
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Re: Nero vs Yang vs Allen vs Shirou

Postby wingedlion » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:08 pm

Pololloko wrote:The Fate arrow faster than lighting comes from Fate Fake

That was not faster than lightning. It was just fast enough to go through it.
Pololloko wrote:then Shirou fighted and defeated Gilgamesh in UBW ( Even If plot was included )

If you know PIS was a factor in that fight then why are you using it for scaling?
Pololloko wrote:then defeated Berserker in Heaven's Feel Route

With Illya's help.
Even with Nine Lives Blade works, Shirou was still going to lose. He only got the final strike in because Illya's presence temporarily shook Berserker Alter out of his new master's control.
Pololloko wrote:then defeated Saber Alter in the Bad End in Heaven's Feel Route

This is sorta true, but there's more to it than that. While he was able to sort of keep up with Saber Alter in close combat he was pretty much always on the defensive, and he was only able to defeat her in battle using Crane wing, which ended up turning him into a vegetable. Though he did use a projection previously before that fight and was using multiple projections at that moment, so he might not end up like that if he uses it earlier. Still, at the very least i don't think Crane wing will be useful much against Nero or Yang, as the former has regeneration and the latter has Aura, so if they get hit it won't really be fatal.
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Re: Nero vs Yang vs Allen vs Shirou

Postby Friendlysociopath » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:06 pm

wingedlion wrote:
Pololloko wrote:then defeated Saber Alter in the Bad End in Heaven's Feel Route

This is sorta true, but there's more to it than that. While he was able to sort of keep up with Saber Alter in close combat he was pretty much always on the defensive, and he was only able to defeat her in battle using Crane wing, which ended up turning him into a vegetable. Though he did use a projection previously before that fight and was using multiple projections at that moment, so he might not end up like that if he uses it earlier. Still, at the very least i don't think Crane wing will be useful much against Nero or Yang, as the former has regeneration and the latter has Aura, so if they get hit it won't really be fatal.


What's a Crane wing?

Nero not only had regen- he's pretty hard to cut in the first place depending on what you hit.
https://youtu.be/GIpbY_TjzkA?t=6m
Unless his sling is uber-durable, he took a stab... I just realized the point of Dante's sword is going into his arm @6:15
So while he does take damage from it, the damage is pretty slight.

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Also why do I keep hearing "RIP Weiss"? I don't for a second believe they're going to kill off probably the most merchandised character in the show.
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