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Re: The Hunt for Darth Vader

Postby Alpha or Omega » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:48 pm

Friendlysociopath wrote:It would have to given that Vader apparently can choke out a person who's not even on the surface of a planet in real-time while chatting with them. Either it's really fast or distance doesn't matter for the Force. The latter seems a bit more likely as the characters typically refer to themselves as conduits for the Force.

Through a comm or transceiver, yes.
Aside from Dooku dodging it, there's the scene on Mortis where Anakin goes through a test against the Son and the Daughter.

Friendlysociopath wrote:While the latter is true, the former makes no sense. The Force IS reality- not outside of it. Nor does it simply appear somewhere but it IS everywhere.

The force is an inherent part of that reality, it's not reality itself. It's kinda like the 4 fundamental forces of nature, but Star Wars has the "force" included with that. It is everywhere, but it is not everything. It is in everything though.

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Well, he could've tried, I rather doubt he'd pull off killing Vader given Vader can facetank blasts from the camel-things in the new EU.

Maybe he could've knocked Vader into the lava with a shot, but yeah, the shot wasn't going to do anything. Boba Fett actually shot Vader earlier by pretending to fall into lava. All that did was knock Vader to the floor, impressed (and maybe annoyed) by Fett.
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Re: The Hunt for Darth Vader

Postby Friendlysociopath » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:22 am

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Friendlysociopath wrote:While the latter is true, the former makes no sense. The Force IS reality- not outside of it. Nor does it simply appear somewhere but it IS everywhere.

The force is an inherent part of that reality, it's not reality itself. It's kinda like the 4 fundamental forces of nature, but Star Wars has the "force" included with that. It is everywhere, but it is not everything. It is in everything though.


Ah but there's the rub. If it is in everything that it travels through and affects- that includes stuff like light, sound, air, radio waves- stuff that Samus very clearly does allow in some form to enter her suit. Regardless of how space ghosts that pop in and out of reality work- if she's in the Star Wars universe and OP'd into having the Force- it's going to be inside of her in some shape or form- no?
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Re: The Hunt for Darth Vader

Postby Lowk » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:47 am

Friendlysociopath wrote:Or pretty much any weapon really. Force Choke is ludicrously inefficient when you think about it. Anyone and their mother can, in theory, bring up their arm and fire away.


Aside from panic some less hardened creatures experiance, making it hard to aim. Vader can still defend himself with his saber or Whatever that energy defense that begins with a T that he uses to deflect bolts with his hand. So some energy weapons or weak ballistics might not help.
I'm not sure how to spell it, but the ability you're talking about is called tootaminis...I'm positive I spelled that wrong lol. Vader should have no problem holding a victim in the air choking them while using the other hand to disarm, restrain arms and legs, or deflect fired shots.
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Re: The Hunt for Darth Vader

Postby Alpha or Omega » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:56 am

Friendlysociopath wrote:Ah but there's the rub. If it is in everything that it travels through and affects- that includes stuff like light, sound, air, radio waves- stuff that Samus very clearly does allow in some form to enter her suit. Regardless of how space ghosts that pop in and out of reality work- if she's in the Star Wars universe and OP'd into having the Force- it's going to be inside of her in some shape or form- no?

I don't think the force is like the light or radio waves given that it has exotic nature (nevermind that Samus' suit has blocked quantum cascade lasers, high-powered sonic aspect matter-antimatter attacks, and neutrinos). The force can serve as something similar to life energy or can allow someone to exist as a ghost.

The force was OP'd to be inside of her, but it's not like it's going to flow through her or out of her because of the suit. The force probably won't penetrate it, and that would confuse Vader.
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Re: The Hunt for Darth Vader

Postby Kitten Lord » Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:24 am

Still discussing the "Samus' suit can block the force" idea? Makes no sense to me still, if its everywhere then its in her suit. There is no proof it blocks everything. Its pretty common for special suits in most mediums be it a power or mech suit to be able to block lasers and certain energy weapons through shields or durability. Not to somehow cut Vader off from the force in her.

as for shooting or hitting Vader while hes doing force powers, that may work but bear in mind all he has to do is look on a camera monitor (their on the death star?) and choke anyone he wills. Also don't sell short the imperial army, you could end up being choked from some unknown location while being shot from all sides.

Also doesnt Darth Vader have any special EU/legends powers that we sometimes see? like draining to death?
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Re: The Hunt for Darth Vader

Postby Alpha or Omega » Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:31 am

Kitten Lord wrote:Still discussing the "Samus' suit can block the force" idea? Makes no sense, if its everywhere then its in her suit, along with anything she needs. There is no proof it blocks everything. Its pretty common for special suits in most mediums be it a power or mech suit to be able to block lasers and certain energy weapons through shields or durability. Not to somehow cut Vader off from the force in her.

It's everywhere in the Star Wars universe, yes. However, given that Samus' suit blocks wave beam, chozo ghosts, coverns, and Dark Pirate Commandos the force wouldn't be able to penetrate or flow through Samus' suit like it does in the Star Wars universe.

If its able to block the wave beam, it would block Vader from bypassing her suit. Also, Vader's force attacks have to travel, so there's a chance it can be avoided anyway.

It's not common for special suits to block ethereal beings such as Chozo ghosts or coverns either.

Kitten Lord wrote:as for shooting or hitting Vader while hes doing force powers, that may work but bear in mind his range, all he has to do is look on a camera monitor (their on the death star?) and choke anyone he wills. Also don't sell short the imperial army, you could end up being choked from some unknown location while being shot from all sides.

They're on the Death Star, but there is also a lot of screens. Vader would only be able to look at a few; he won't be able to look at all screens.

Kitten Lord wrote:Also doesnt Darth Vader have any special EU/legends powers that we sometimes see? like draining to death?

He can shoot a ball of lightning.
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Re: The Hunt for Darth Vader

Postby Lowk » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:31 am

Kitten Lord wrote:as for shooting or hitting Vader while hes doing force powers, that may work but bear in mind all he has to do is look on a camera monitor (their on the death star?) and choke anyone he wills.


I don't know if it's a warrior thing or a sith thing but Vader seems keen on facing his problems head-on. He seems to want people to see him first then proceed to get tricky.
And Zeratul and Shepard have cloaking. Shepard can also disable electronics he's feeling sneaky.
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Re: The Hunt for Darth Vader

Postby Mea quidem sententia » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:14 pm

Since Samus has phase drift, she'll appear faster and her weapons will appear faster as well. I'm trying to determine the percentage difference to get an idea of how fast she'll appear to everyone else. This may take some time.
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Re: The Hunt for Darth Vader

Postby darkwingdragon709 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:39 pm

Lowk wrote:
Friendlysociopath wrote:Or pretty much any weapon really. Force Choke is ludicrously inefficient when you think about it. Anyone and their mother can, in theory, bring up their arm and fire away.


Aside from panic some less hardened creatures experiance, making it hard to aim. Vader can still defend himself with his saber or Whatever that energy defense that begins with a T that he uses to deflect bolts with his hand. So some energy weapons or weak ballistics might not help.
I'm not sure how to spell it, but the ability you're talking about is called tootaminis...I'm positive I spelled that wrong lol. Vader should have no problem holding a victim in the air choking them while using the other hand to disarm, restrain arms and legs, or deflect fired shots.

Oops...my bad. I either your post instead of quoted it by accident.
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Re: The Hunt for Darth Vader

Postby Friendlysociopath » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:17 pm

Alpha or Omega wrote:
Kitten Lord wrote:Still discussing the "Samus' suit can block the force" idea? Makes no sense, if its everywhere then its in her suit, along with anything she needs. There is no proof it blocks everything. Its pretty common for special suits in most mediums be it a power or mech suit to be able to block lasers and certain energy weapons through shields or durability. Not to somehow cut Vader off from the force in her.

It's everywhere in the Star Wars universe, yes. However, given that Samus' suit blocks wave beam, chozo ghosts, coverns, and Dark Pirate Commandos the force wouldn't be able to penetrate or flow through Samus' suit like it does in the Star Wars universe.

If its able to block the wave beam, it would block Vader from bypassing her suit. Also, Vader's force attacks have to travel, so there's a chance it can be avoided anyway.


Still not 100% sure choke even travels considering every time Vader has used it the effects have been immediate regardless of distance. Barrier shenanigans aside- the claim of it traveling isn't very supported.
Although, since you did mention it, what if Samus/Vader/anyone opened a communications channel to try and talk? Would this open a 'breach' in the hypothetical suit to use the Force through?


Alpha or Omega wrote:It's not common for special suits to block ethereal beings such as Chozo ghosts or coverns either.


It is, however, common for games with a health system to have characters withstand things that would kill them just by taking damage in said health system; which is why I'm curious that Samus gets a blank check for dealing with all these things via her suit but a traditional RPG character can't facetank everything their game has to offer. Where's the line here?


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Kitten Lord wrote:as for shooting or hitting Vader while hes doing force powers, that may work but bear in mind his range, all he has to do is look on a camera monitor (their on the death star?) and choke anyone he wills. Also don't sell short the imperial army, you could end up being choked from some unknown location while being shot from all sides.

They're on the Death Star, but there is also a lot of screens. Vader would only be able to look at a few; he won't be able to look at all screens.


He's got millions of people to tell him which screen to look at.
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