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What if... Link & Sora switch places?

Postby Friendlysociopath » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:07 am

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Characters: Link (Legend of Zelda), Sora (Kingdom Hearts)


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How well will both do in the other's world?

Both Link & Sora are taking the other's World by its story ( Example: Link starts in Sora's shoes at the begining of the series to corrent time line, same goes for Sora in LOZ World )

Both Link & Sora have threre Experience, Memories & All Abilities/Attacks/ Magic & Forms from there own series ( They will Not start at Level 0 or Resset for this match )

Link is Composite with Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask + Twilight Princess + Skyward Sword + Wind Waker & Breath of the Wild Incarnations ( Including Items/Weapons & Magic + Phisical Stats ).

Sora is Compostite ( KH1/ KH COM/ KH2 / KH DDD & KH3 = Including Items/ Abilities/Attacks/Magic & Forms + Phisical Stats)

Bonus Round: Both Link & Sora are Team Up to do the same as the match but this time is in Final Fantasy World.

How well will both of them do?
Can they clear?
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Re: What if... Link & Sora switch places?

Postby Polloloko » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:06 pm

Anyone?
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Re: What if... Link & Sora switch places?

Postby Mea quidem sententia » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:24 pm

I've never played FF Lite, so I can't say what the outcome would be.
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Re: What if... Link & Sora switch places?

Postby Friendlysociopath » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:55 pm

Polloloko wrote:Anyone?


These are kinda hard to answer- you picked two universes that have it pretty hammered in that it HAS to be the specific hero that saves it. If you mean more of a boss-gauntlet thing then that could be a bit easier to gauge.

Link can't use a keyblade so he's basically screwed in that he can't seal the world keyholes. Heartless continue to multiply until there's an infinite number and everything in the Kingdom Hearts verse is dead. There's no "ultimate boss" like Ganon to kill and just stop all the bad activity. Xehanort is a bastard who time-travels to basically be everywhere and know everything- but he didn't create the Heartless and they'll happily spawn without him.
And he has no reason to deal with Link anyways, Link's not a keyblade-user, he's not a threat. Link might have a strong enough heart that he gets shunted to Traverse Town like everyone else but otherwise he's stuck there- Donald and Goofy need a keyblade-user. For all his power, Link would be no different than Squall, Cloud, or Hercules- he's just not what they need to save the day.

Sora is the reverse, early on in LoZ a being capable of actually killing Ganon/Demise shows up and beats the shit out of them with a magical weapon, a majority of the LoZ timeline then ceases to happen because there's no half-assed seal that gets undone later on- they're just straight-up defeated.

There's the main difference, KH is a result of actions that took place long before Sora was a factor, LoZ begins and ends with Link taking on Demise/ganon.
If you mean Link is GOING to get the keyblade and Sora is GOING to get the triforce of courage and the master sword- we're basically in entirely unknown waters as we have no way of knowing how they'll interact with these new powers.
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Re: What if... Link & Sora switch places?

Postby Alpha or Omega » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:58 pm

On the other hand, Sora basically dooms Hyrule since he doesn't have the spirit of the hero thing going on, and Ganondorf comes back years later where Sora doesn't even exist. There's no split timeline, and there's only one timeline where Ganondorf wins unless Hylia takes some action.
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Re: What if... Link & Sora switch places?

Postby Friendlysociopath » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:04 pm

Alpha or Omega wrote:On the other hand, Sora basically dooms Hyrule since he doesn't have the spirit of the hero thing going on, and Ganondorf comes back years later where Sora doesn't even exist. There's no split timeline, and there's only one timeline where Ganondorf wins unless Hylia takes some action.


Would Ganon come back if Demise was never resurrected or whatever happens in Skyward Sword? I thought there was all sorts of shenanigans the bad guy had to pull off to get Demise resurrected in the first place- shenanigans that Sora can prevent with his patented "beat them with the magical cleansing weapon" technique on the lesser henchman?
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Re: What if... Link & Sora switch places?

Postby Alpha or Omega » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:12 pm

Ganon exists because he is the embodiment of the Demise's hatred. Killing Demise pretty much does that.

Unless, you're talking about the Imprisoned, then there was certain circumstances for that. Link had to use the Triforce, and his Master Sword didn't work. Demise didn't even need Ghirahim to come back. It's only when the Triforce used that Ghirahim decided to time travel before that moment.

Of course, Ganondorf and Demise aren't the only threats. There's Vaati who pretty much existed without Ganondorf or Demise years later.
Demise isn't even the only demon in the Zelda verse.
Then, there's the fact that humans are greedy anyway, which caused a huge war for the Triforce.
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Re: What if... Link & Sora switch places?

Postby darkwingdragon709 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:23 pm

Theres a strong possibility that link would receive a keyblade, in fact because of links pure and balanced heart he may actually become a better keyblade user than sora. We know he possess the requirements to gain and master one because link was able to use the entire triforce without it breaking.

Another thing, why is it assumed that the master sword(a tool thats able to seal entire realms and destroy anything evil)wouldnt be able to seal up the heartless, but soras keyblade would just without question be able to kill ganon and bypass the ToPs immortality simply cause its "magical" but never stated destroy all evil and certainly wasnt forged to cancel out power that radiates from an omnipotent source. This sounded very one sided without much explanation friendly.
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Re: What if... Link & Sora switch places?

Postby Alpha or Omega » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:26 pm

Link dies.
He doesn't have strength feats to match up to people vastly stronger than him.
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Re: What if... Link & Sora switch places?

Postby Friendlysociopath » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:51 pm

darkwingdragon709 wrote:Theres a strong possibility that link would receive a keyblade, in fact because of links pure and balanced heart he may actually become a better keyblade user than sora. We know he possess the requirements to gain and master one because link was able to use the entire triforce without it breaking.


You... don't need a pure and balanced heart. The bad guys have keyblades too remember- their hearts are not pure or balanced. Xehanort is the best keyblade user ever and he's evil and insane. Terra's ARMOR is running around with a keyblade. Sora and Riku both have darkness in their hearts but still have keyblades- being pure of heart is not the factor, neither is balance considering how nuts half the keyblade users are. (Maybe less than half)
Also we've seen a grand total of what, two people use the triforce? One abundantly evil and one pure of heart? Not exactly enough information to say whether the pure allowed Link to use it or the evil didn't allow Ganon to use it.


darkwingdragon709 wrote:Another thing, why is it assumed that the master sword(a tool thats able to seal entire realms and destroy anything evil)wouldnt be able to seal up the heartless, but soras keyblade would just without question be able to kill ganon and bypass the ToPs immortality simply cause its "magical" but never stated destroy all evil and certainly wasnt forged to cancel out power that radiates from an omnipotent source. This sounded very one sided without much explanation friendly.


Because the master sword isn't a key? The only time I know of with the master sword having anything to do with seals is the sacred realm, which involved people who were not Link setting it up as such as both the lock and the key, not the key itself. The sword itself was a seal because so long as it wasn't picked up- the realm remained sealed. This is not the same thing as being able to break any seal you come across or seal any opening you come across.
Put another way, the master sword has very specific circumstances and things it was shown to lock/unlock, the keyblade does all of those things naturally without exception; to say these are equal is making a bit of a stretch.

Also the keyblade doesn't beat Ganon/Demise because it's powerful and magical, it beats them because Sora's specifically is a weapon of light (similar to the master sword), does purify and vanquish darkness/evil (similar to the master sword) can only be wielded by the chosen one(s) (similar to the master sword).
Grand statements and descriptions don't matter, physical characteristics that can be gauged do. The keyblade in pretty much every way can have a parallel drawn to the master sword- including having to earn it. The master sword does not share the same with the keyblade. Just because a weapon isn't stated to 'destroy all evil' doesn't mean it can't be EC to a weapon that does that.

Also, you know, NLF of Ganon and evil's bane and how nothing else can hurt him; because that IS a NLF regardless of how often it's stated or shown in LoZ.
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